From digest.v4.n843 Mon Jul 15 15:40:28 1996
From: "Carl Buckland" <buckland_at_xmission.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:22:46 +0000
Subject: H&R Coilovers-the real thing
Will Turner writes, in response to my letter about the H&R Coilovers
that I just installed....
> My comment about the H&R coil over set up was not negitive, I
> sell a lot of H&R. Which
> part of my comment did you find negitive?
> "In a word, INCREDIBLE, notwithstanding Will Turner's
> recent comments."
> Will Turner
> President, Turner Motorsport
Dear Will, and all,
First, let me make it clear that I consider Will Turner a true friend
to BMW enthusiasts, and by no means did I mean to offend him or
demean him or his opinions. Will, if I have offended you in any way,
What did you say about the H&R coilovers that I considered negative?
This is a direct quote from what I read here on the Digest:
The H&R coil over kit uses a hydraulic Koni (made in Germany,
not Holland as all the
other Koni's are) Even the stock struts are at least low pressure gas.
This H&R is old technology. I am not saying that the H&R set up is bad
, It is a great street set up and you get a big "bang for the buck".
The H&R coil over kit is not a race set up , the coil over design
often misleads people.
This statement is attributed to you by another frequent writer on the
Net, Richard Biscevic. If Richard got it wrong, that's one thing.
If this IS what you said, how can you NOT consider this "negative?"
"Old technology, hydraulic shock (as opposed to the newer, mono tube,
high preassure gas shocks)," sounds pretty negative to me.
In any case, I think that I have gotten to the bottom of the whole
dialogue. It started with a letter from David Kao, who apparently
bought his original "H&R coilovers" from you. He had trouble, and
sent them back. You took them apart, and thought that they were
hydraulic shocks, and of shoddy construction. I have spoken to
Roland Graef, of H&R Springs (who also, by the way, certainly
considers Will to be a great friend of the BMW enthusiast ), who
would like to see whatever it is that Will and Dave are talking
about. Whatever it is, it certainly isn't a "current H&R shock or
What I have to say below is based on detailed discussions with Roland
Graef, special projects director for H&R springs, and on my own
inspection of the H&R coilovers that I installed this weekend.
The H&R coilover system for the E36 M3 is a very new design, which
was specifically made for the car. In fact, it is one of the ONLY
front struts that are specifically made for the E36 M3! Even the
Bilstein and Koni struts are made from donor stock parts. The front
struts are adjustable coilovers. The struts and the rear shocks are
designed after the de Carbon (not the brandname, but the de Carbon
principle). They are a high preassure, monotube gas shock. SAME as
the Bilsteins that Mr. Turner and almost all other tuners prefer, but
not made by Bilstein OR Koni. Made my H&R. Period.
In fact, H&R makes the tubes with threads that Koni is using for ITS
adjustable coilovers (Koni makes its own shocks).
H&R makes all their own struts and springs and shocks, in house, by
I will write about the installation, set up, and subjective
impressions of my H&R's as soon as I can, but I will say this for
now: The system, in conjunction with the RD swaybars, is more than I
had ever hoped for! It is very firm, but SMOOOOTH. I can just FLY
over very rough terrain. I feel every little undulation, but it is
NOT harsh. No bouncing, jarring, or vibration. Just firm, supple
feel. I like it MUCH more for the rough roads of Utah than I had
expected, and on the track (in this case, an autocross), I don't
know what more I could ask for. Neutral handling, quick turn in,
smooth over rough transitions (where others were scraping), no body
roll. I think that they are the perfect compromise. More to come.
Again, Will, I know that you were just passing on some first hand
knowledge of what you saw. I can only say that what you saw must not
have been demonstrative of what the H&R's usually are. Maybe an
early prototype, maybe defective, maybe not even H&R's. I don't
know. But MY H&R's are everything I wanted and more. You may want
to order in another set and see what you think.
Regards to all,
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