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From digest.v6.n185 Fri Feb 7 14:47:41 1997
From: RSW01_at_aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:17:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: E36 Supercharger Kits
Since the thread about Superchargers has revived I'll put in my two cents...I
warn you it'll feel like more!
Kits for 1.8 or 1.9L engines:
Some have recently talked about the Sebring Supercharger Kit, so I checked
out their website. They say their kit includes:
Eaton 62 Cubic Inch Roots Type Supercharger
Mounted directly onto cast aluminum intake manifold
Supercharger brackets
use stock fuel injection system except for Sebring-designed "downstream"fuel
press. regulator that is boost sensitive
No chip, Eprom changes neccesarry they say
Claiming at least 215hp pending final results
Price: others have seen it for $2995
I also remember seeing a kit in European Car awhile so I looked it up
again.Its made by Motorsport Design/ Bell Engineering Group (BEGI). Their kit
consists of:
Whipple twinscrew supercharger ( lysholm type)
Air to Air intercooler (they say it drop air temps to within 20% of ambient)
Fuel Press. Regulator ( raises fuel press up to 8psi per pound of manifold
pressure)
Claimed 192 hp , 208 w/exhaust
Price: $4995 but $3995 as intro offer
The reason I listed the Motorsport Design Kit was because, Hey! Its always
nice to have options and its good for comparison purposes. Anyway, someone
had asked about opinions on the Sebring Kit. Well, first of all, as some have
stated before, running a Roots type blower without an intercooler is not the
best option. Roots type blowers run hot ( i.e. excessive charge heating).
Well the reason they didn't use an intercooler is because they bolted the
supercharger directly onto their aluminum intake manifold so therefore its
impossible to add one. ( Sorry Gary H., even if they make a kit for the E30
you won't be able to add that aftermarket intercooler from HKS or Greddy).
The most interestinf part is how they explain why they really don't need one.
Here's a direct quote:
"Because our supercharger is hung off the engine in a position that receives
large amounts of air flow, our total system efficiency is very high. It is
not a stretch to state that the Eaton supercharger in our application acts as
a sort of intercooler itself. We did not need to add the expense or
complication of a flow through intercooler and the loss of boost that comes
with its use."
Realistically, how much could airflow past a supercharger housing drop the
temp. Seriously, even they say the intake charge air is increased by 69
degress. I'd be concerned about thermal stress on the engine and the heated
charge increasing possibility of detonation.
Comparison with the MD kit:
I thought it was interesting how the Sebring kit produces more power (they
say they expect above the 215hp range vs 192hp for MD kit) considering the
supercharger they use is less efficient (56% for Roots type vs 68-72% for
whipple), and the Sebring Kit lacks an intercooler. MD actually did a pretty
good job of intergrating the cooler, but maybe the intercooler reduces boost
enough to account for power difference? I'd really like to see what the dyno
says. An interesting thing about these installs is how they both get around
needing a reprogrammed chip and bigger injectors, instead relying on the
existing DME and knock sensors along with addition of a fuel pressure
regulator to handle the increased charge. The MD system uses a variable rate
of gain regulator which raises fuel pressure in relation to manifold
pressure. I'm assuming the Sebring system must use something similiar.
Cost:
Now having just said all this, obviously the Sebring kit seems like a pretty
good deal at $3000, considering the MD kit is $5000 ( it still might be
$4000, don't know for sure). Considering what I've said above though I'd
probably go with the MD kit if I could get it for $4000 At $5000, maybe, my
wallet would say Sebring but my mind would probaly say MD (or Mosselman,
that's turbocharging but it is $4000),. Since I've hit the pricing issue,
I'll take a shot at the whole BMW vs ponycar supercharger kit debate. Now
kits for 325/M3 are even more expensive being $7000 from Dinan and $6000 from
ERT. But these kits have additional components compared to the 318 kits. (
both have larger injectors, reprogrammed chips, the ERT has a larger air mass
sensor, while the Dinan kit uses Turbotronic-10 which recalibrates the stock
air flow meter....No Intercooler though on either kit) Anyway these kits are
still significantly more expensive than kits available for american vehicles
which usually range from $2200 and up but usually cost no more than $4000.
Obviously they all use similiar and sometimes the exact same superchagers
since most kits use either Eaton, Powerdyne, Vortech, etc. So there is no
increased cost there. All have to manufacture similiar components (brackets,
etc) but some do put in more work using better materials (Dinan w/ there
brackets and CNC machined pulleys for example) so maybe a little increased
cost there. Also the BMW kits, specifically the ones for 325/M3 do use
reprogrammed chips so you've got to account for time and energy for all that
development. But still I don't think this is enough to account for as much as
a 75% premium in some cases. So what's my theory... well I think part of it
is the fact that on a number of kits sold basis, people manufacturing or
selling BMW kits will just not sell as many kits as companies that sell pony
car kits. Out of all the E36 owners out there, what is the % that will
actually put a supercharger on their car. Its probably pretty small. Now out
of all the pony car owners out there and I figure there's a whole lot more of
them than us BMW owners (NJ alone has more mustangs and camaros than you
could believe), how many would put on a kit? On a % basis its probably not
that much more but because of the bigger base of potential customers it will
probably be a heck of a lot more than kits for us. The companies that sell
pony car kits have the advantage of leveraging kits across many platforms
adding even more to the volume factor. So kits for BMW's cost more to make
up for fact that they will only sell a limited # of kits. But the #1 reason,
which everybody already knows and either likes or wants to believe, is that
they figure a BMW owner can afford it. So even if my argument for volume of
sales were true, we are all more likely to believe the latter anyway.
P.S. With all my concerns over thermal stress, etc for the roots type blower
used in the Sebring kit, I was wondering how much the temps for the intake
charge increase for the 325/M3 kits (ERT & Dinian) which use a centrifugal
type supercharger but no Intercooler. Maybe Will Turner can help us out on
this info?
Rukman
95 325i (Modified)
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