From: Brett Anderson [mailto:brett_at_koalamotorsport.com]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 6:24 PM
To: Dorffer, Rich
Subject: Re: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice
Rich, please pass this on to the E36M3 list.
The weights are guides.
You have to get the vehicle to the ride height indicated in the
specifications. The Hunter machine simply states exactly what BMW does for
weight placement, etc, on which models. Hunter doesn't do their own tests,
they simply copy the manufacturers specifications and requirements.
The locations are guides too. Working on average. BMW tells students at
their tech schools to put the weight wherever necessary. Even to open the
hood and place the weight over the shock towers if necessary/practical.
The ride height spec is usually significantly lower than actual ride height.
This is where BMW alignments get confusing.
Most people who "know it all", as opposed to those that know...., come up
with a line like "well, I want optimum alignment settings on the car with
just me in it, because that's how I drive it most of the time...."
Fact is, you couldn't ask for a more screwed up alignment, UNLESS, you have
significantly changed the suspension characteristics of the car, i.e, solid
bushings, severely lowered coil overs, etc.
BMW builds thousands of model variants, even the E36 M3 could have possibly
come in 500-1000 different variations throughout the world, when you include
different body/interior/transmission/wheel options, all intermixed.
Each of those variants weighs slightly different, so in order to avoid
having to write different alignment specs for any one of 500 possible ride
height scenario's, BMW took the heaviest car, subtracted a small amount from
it's ride height and designed the alignment specifications for that exact
position in the suspension travel. Theory being that if the spec is the
same on all cars at that point, it will be at all other points. Now, I'm
not arguing the pros and cons of this system, just explaining how BMW does
Now, as to the weight specs, first of all, they are, as I said above, simply
guides. Second, the M3 undoubtedly sits closer to this "ideal" ride height
than any other model, because realistically, there weren't that many weight
differences between versions, plus it had tighter springs that are effected
less by minor weight changes. Therefore, there's no recommendation for a
specific weight to be added. The car MUST still come to the specified ride
height and even the BMW manual for the M3 states to add weight to bring
vehicle to specified ride height.
One of the reasons BMW, and other manufacturers, would rather not see their
technical information made available to the public is misinterpretation.
Jim E, for whatever reason he chose, has left off the final section of the
Tech Info sheet he's referring to below.
The part where it says:
Adjust correct ride level for alignment = specified value +/- 2mm / for E36
M3, E39 M5 and E39 with M sports package specified value +/- 1mm by loading
or unloading car.
That statement pretty much says it all. Even though they don't tell you
what weights to start with in the car, they still expect you to come within
1 mm (for M cars) of the specified ride height.
As to techs that tell people "it makes little difference", these are the
techs that either don't have ballast handy, or are too lazy to use it.
On a current top of the line laser alignment setup like the one I use, you
can see alignment readings change just by opening a door, or by moving a
seat forward or backward.
I challenge any tech that says it doesn't matter to put a car on the rack,
print the settings, then load it to correct ride height and print the
settings again. On an E36, it can amount to as much as 1 degree of camber
in the rear, which in turn, effects toe.
Hope this clears some stuff up.
Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual
> From: nabli_at_attglobal.net [mailto:nabli_at_attglobal.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:41 PM
> Subject: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice
> As a point of reference, BMW Technical Information Bulletin 32 00 Wheel
> Alignment - Normal Position / Inspection Conditions E38 / E39 / E46 / E36
> specifically excludes the M3 from being loaded with extra weight.
> It states:
> "2 x 68 kg on front seats (seats in central position)
> 1 x 68 kg on rear seat (center)
> 1 x 21 kg in luggage compartment (middle) and full fuel tank.
> M3 sports suspension
> Normal position for car empty weight"
> Hope this clears up some of the confusion.
> Jim E.
> "Dorffer, Rich" wrote:
> Daniel wrote>
> > Bentley manual suggest loading the car with weights in
> > the respective seats and a full tank of gas.
> > Hunter says that the M3 chassis requires no loading,
> > just a full tank of gas.
> Jim wrote>
> I just had my car aligned, and asked about this. According to John at
> Conversion Tech (SF Bay Area) weighting is not necessary since it affects
> the alignment very little (if at all).
> I am by no means an expert on this subject matter, but when I had my car
> aligned at Ganley BMW by Brett Anderson, he did use the ballast (trunk,
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:54:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel <m3_driver_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FW: [E36M3] Alignment Specs & Advice
Thanks for the effort and response regarding the
proper way to align a BMW
In the case where ballast is not available (which is
mostly 99% of the alignment places around here in
There must be a compromised setting of the specs so
that they compensate for the higher than correct ride
height when aligned.
I am not in disagreement that camber changes are
insignificant, but am I more correct in saying that
the importance of knowing that the car is at least
properly aligned left to right where the rear thrust
angle is = 0 and both front and rear toe angles are
equal on both sides (hopefully cancelling out any
tendency for the car to pull to one side).
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