Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:21:43 -0500
From: read_at_engr05.comsys.rockwell.com (Pete Read)
Subject: M5 Engine, Trans, Diff, Brake Fluids
Kevin Moak, BMW 750i owner asks:
>What fluids do you use in your BMW?
>And how often do you change them?
Here is my '88 M5 specific answer based on what I've read, and of
course, my personal opinion.
Mobil 1 15W-50 4,000-5,000 mile change
(Switched to synthetic this fall so haven't changed it yet)
Castrol GTX 20W-50 3,000 mile change or just before driver's schools
Any name brand regular (dino) or synthetic oil works fine. The most
important point is change intervals. The ideal change interval depends
on your driving habits. Two thousand miles of short trips is a lot
tougher on oil than a quick trip to Florida and back. I try to avoid
short trips in the M5 -- my wife's Ford Taurus station wagon gets most
of the short trips. Both cars get the oil changed at the same interval,
but the Ford takes much more short trip abuse. Its oil needs changing
at 3,000 miles, while the M5 could probably go much longer.
An oil analysis is the best way to determine oil change intervals, but
that's too much effort for me. The BMW service lights are probably the
most practical way to judge oil wear because they factor in the way the
car is driven. My oil change light just turned yellow after 9,000
miles. I've been changing it every 3,000 miles, so I'm much more
conservative than the lights.
Maybe change your oil based on the service lights and what makes you
comfortable (e.g. when the lights are halfway). Your comfort level is
probably similar to mine because our engines are so expensive. Factory
rebuilt M5 engines are $17,000. I'm sure your 12 cylinder engine is
also very expensive. Ford Taurus engines are probably cheaper than
brake calipers for an M5.
BMW Service Lights
BMW service lights are based on the number of "engine wear miles" which
factors mileage plus engine temperature and rpm. It goes something like
this (copied from an old post on the BMW list):
Three engine temperature points determine a cold, warm, or hot engine.
- Cold is less than < 50C or 122F
- Warm is between 50-70C or 122-158F
- Hot is greater than > 70C or 158F
Below 4000 rpm (engine wear miles):
Cold miles are multiplied by 3
Warm miles are multiplied by 2
Hot miles are multiplied by 1
Above 4000 rpm (engine wear miles):
One or two extra miles added (not sure of exact amount).
About 10,000 "engine wear miles" before the yellow light.
(Note: E28 M5s have five green, one yellow, and one red light, so
about 2,000 engine wear miles for each green light)
My Reasons for Changing to Synthetic Motor Oil
- Synthetics are better performing and longer lasting, especially at
the extremes of temperature and high rpm use. Viscosity is more
stable at wide ranging temperatures. Less friction and better heat
transfer. Easier cold cranking from lower pour-point temperature.
Synthetics need less viscosity index improvers which wear out.
Practically speaking, regular oil is fine here in the Northern
Virginia area because the temperature isn't extremely cold or hot. My
engine definitely cranked easier this winter with synthetic, but it's
not a big deal if you take it easy when the engine is cold. I also
do driver's schools that put high temperature, high rpm stress on the
engine. Fresh regular oil is also fine for high rpm performance
driving, but synthetic seems to have a performance edge.
2. No downsides beside cost, unlike some additives (e.g. Slick 50 which,
best case, does nothing and, worst case, clogs small oil passages).
3. Less frequent oil changes balance some of the increased cost
(regular oil is still a better "value" based on my oil change
intervals). Synthetic oil is about four times as expensive ($1.xx vs
$4.xx). I do my own oil changes. My time is worth something, plus
the pain of recycling the oil.
4. Because I'm now convinced that synthetic oil is somewhat better
performing than regular oil (not necessarily a better dollar
value), it makes me feel better. Honestly, this peace of mind, may
be my most important reason.
5. Even though Redline synthetic oil is repeatedly recommended as the
best, I haven't read anything to convince me that it's any better
than Mobil 1. Plus it's twice the price per quart ($8 vs. $4 for
Redline MTL, SAE 75-80 synthetic, non-hypoid API GL-4, 30,000 mile
Synthetic oil helps manual transmissions shift _much_ better when cold
BMW recommends Mobil SHC 630 synthetic, SAE 80 non-hypoid API GL-4 gear
oil, or a single grade 20/30/40 API-SE/SF regular motor oil.
Gear oil viscosity is measured at a lower temperature than motor oil.
That's how a much lower viscosity motor oil can be used in place of a
gear oil with a higher viscosity rating -- they work out to about the
same viscosity at equal temperature.
Differential (limited slip):
SAE 90 regular, hypoid API GL-5, limited-slip additive, 30,000 mile
Differential gears need very high pressure wear protection oil (hypoid).
High sulfur content -- you can smell the difference.
Limited-slip additives provide smoother take-up and prevent shudder.
- Normal Driving - Castrol LMA (Low Moisture Absorption), DOT 4, 446F
dry and 311F wet boiling points, about $5 per quart, changed every
year or two.
- Driver's schools (brakes at very high temp) - ATE Super Blue, DOT 4
spec, 536F dry and 311F wet boiling points, about $11 per quart,
changed before every driver's school if it's more than a month old.
In my case, about three changes a year for five or six schools.
Brake fluid needs to be changed for two reasons, maintenance and
performance (it takes about a quart to flush the system).
Maintenance - changing old brake fluid removes water from the brake
system. Brake fluid is hydroscopic, it absorbs water. Old brake fluid
must be flushed out or water absorbed by the fluid eventually causes
internal rust on the disk calipers and pistons.
Performance - changing old brake fluid helps high temperature
operation because fresh (dry) brathan older (wet) brake fluid. If brake fluid boils, compressible gas
bubbles form, resulting in a very spongy brake pedal.
DOT Brake Fluid Specs
DOT 3 DOT 4 DOT 5
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Dry Boiling Point 401F 446F 500F
Wet Boiling Point 284F 311F 356F
The DOT 3 and DOT 4 specifications are for glycol based (regular) brake
fluid, while DOT 5 is for silicone.
Silicone DOT 5 is not compatible with the ABS hydraulic control unit
because it doesn't lubricate the ABS pump like glycol based fluid.
Silicone is slightly more compressible than glycol fluid. It has a
higher wet boiling point because it doesn't absorb moisture like glycol
fluid. This lack of moisture absorption causes problems when water
gets in the brake system. Instead of mixing with the brake fluid
(so it can be flushed out easily), the moisture gets trapped at
low points in the system and causes rust.
Hope this helps,
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