From digest.v4.n608 Thu May 16 17:40:05 1996
From: "Carl Buckland" <buckland_at_>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:15:05 +0000
Subject: Hawk Brake pads vs Rebco Deluxes vs Race pads
> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:46:02 -0500
> To: buckland_at_
> From: Neil Williams <neilw_at_informix.com>
> Subject: re: Hawk Brake pads
> Didn't you post once that you used Repco Metalmaster Deluxe pads for
> the street?
> Have you decided the Hawk Y-5 is better for street/autox use?
Good question. Yes, I was using Rebco (now PBR) deluxes for the
street, and will continue to do so come winter time. The Rebcos,
which I bought from BMP, are GREAT street pads. Better than stock,
MUCH cheaper, and very clean and quiet. If you don't need brakes
that stop your car VIOLENTLY, like you need in autocrossing, the
PBR's will do the job.
The Hawk Y-5's are MUCH more expensive ($153 for f and r), whereas
the PBR's are only about $63. The Hawks are much softer, and
therefore probably not as long lasting, and the Hawks are DIRTY and
they are NOISY.
Brake pads are beginning to be much less of a mystery to me. Here is
how I see it:
STREET PADS are cheap, clean, quiet, last a long time, and are rotor
friendly. They tend to fade after they get hot. There are many
available. I have been happy with the Rebco/PBR deluxes, available
from BMP, among others.
AUTOCROSS PADS are what I would call the Hawk Y-5's. They are
expensive, dirty, noisy, and "may" be a little harder on rotors and
may not last as long as street pads. So far, Bob Tunnell reports that
they are long lasting, and have not seemed to wear his rotors.
I am sure that they are more fade prone than a true track/race pad.
They do NOT require a lot of heat to work well. They are available
from TC Kline, as well as others.
RACE/TRACK PADS are not for everyone. They are ALL, as far as my
personal experience goes, expensive, dirty, noisy, short lasting,
very hard on rotors, and, generally, don't work when cold. They do,
however, work like an anchor around a tree when hot, and don't tend
to fade (as much as street pads) when hot. The real key to using
race pads is to WARM THEM UP BEFORE HEAVILY APPLYING THE BRAKES!
Hard braking with cold race pads usually results in poor braking,
lots of noise, and horribly grooved rotors. If you need race pads
(and if you do a lot of hard track driving, you NEED race pads), be
prepared for the above draw backs, and try to take them off as soon
as you are off the track. The drawbacks make them unacceptable for
street use, in my opinion. I have a stack of ruined rotors, and
permenantly stained alloy rims to prove it. Even if you can stand
the rotor and wheel destruction, you will tire of the dirt and noise.
I have tried many different race pads. So far, the Hawk blues "seem"
to be the best for my purposes. They are, still, a true race pad,
with all of the above drawbacks of dirt, noise, need for heat, etc.
They do stop my car-time after time-like a brick wall, with no fade,
and no warped rotors. TC Kline carries the full line of Hawk pads.
These are my opinions, but they are based
on actual experience,
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