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idanity
Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3097 Location: N.W.U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: shifter question 89 cabrio |
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taught (or tried to teach) my g.f. to drive a stick (yes, in the cabrio) and the shifter has a lot more play now.
well.
ive got the z3 1.9 shifter on order, and what else do i need
what, how is the process when the tranny is installed. (last time i cleaned it all up, was when i had the tranny on the sidewalk.)
what are all the extra parts i would want to replace too.
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should this be done at a shop
i remember getting the rear end of the shifter not in its hole (under the car) and having to pull the motor up 3-4 inches to allow room.
but it was a while ago, and i think there was a bolt i could (or couldnt) access...
anyone done this upgrade ? (with pix) _________________ .......... |
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Quincy56
Joined: 03 Jan 2002 Posts: 2634 Location: San Marcos, CA
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dale
Joined: 22 Aug 1999 Posts: 3087 Location: Seattle, WA USA
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idanity
Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3097 Location: N.W.U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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thanks guys.
i do remember reading a post (say 6 months ago) that was full of info, but the search button found every post ever posted as a "find"...
well. i appreciate the help, and i will take a few pix when (if) i complete it. _________________ .......... |
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LarrygP
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 846 Location: West Chester, Pa
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dale
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wazzu70
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 838 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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I would also put the delrin bushings in the trans end of the arm that the shifter mounts in (if yours has this design, maybe only the newer ones do?). Any part that is rubber and is a mount for any bracing should be replaced as well, I noticed a huge improvement just replacing the rubber mount at the rear of the sifter mounting arm. When the rear trans seal starts to leak it spreads fluid everywhere down there and it soaks the mounts and deteriorates them. _________________ -Nick
1984 BMW 325e
1991 BMW 325i
1976 Honda CB400F Super Sport
"The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten" |
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idanity
Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3097 Location: N.W.U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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i would love to have the derlin carrier bushing, but really don't want to remove the carrier (or the "bit%# clip).
the short shifter has been on my to do list, and while she was learning to shift, she forgot to engage the clutch, and started tugging at the shifter, and pulling it all sorts of ways.
well. its not the worst shifter ive used, but it did go to the top of my list.
thanks everyone, for all the links.
p.s. i've been reading up about dssr (double sheer selecting rods) for less notchy-ness. and also the "UUC 3-Series Evolution III SSK " kit.
but will try the z3 1.9l shifter 1st and go from there.
since im not going to undo the carrier, i will also not take this to a shop. and will do it on the next sunny day.
should i replace the guibo while im in there (meaning, should i remove the driveline, OR is this a fairly simple job, easily accessed.
any other advice/reviews are always welcome. _________________ .......... |
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wazzu70
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 838 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I always remove the driveline, but then again when I do it I usually replace EVERYTHING to make sure I dont need to mess with it anymore. I have unclipped and just replaced the shifter from the top and reaching over the driveline to remove the clip, but Im thinking you should replace the other bushings as well as those are usually the problem. Also dont forget to replace the plastic cup bearing as well in the shifter support arm. _________________ -Nick
1984 BMW 325e
1991 BMW 325i
1976 Honda CB400F Super Sport
"The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten" |
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cmcon98
Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 1844 Location: Boston
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Since you're doing the Z3 shift lever, I'd replace the shift knuckle that attaches to the tranny selector shaft, the pin that goes through the knuckle, the plastic ball cup that fits into the aluminum shifter support, and possibly the selector rod.
Look at the ends of the selector rod to see if they're worn. Slip the selector rod through your new shifter and knuckle to see how much play there is. If there's little or no play, you can reuse the selector rod (they're expensive). You may have to bend the rod a little to clear the guibo with the Z3 lever.
The delrin bushings for the transmission end of the shifter support are also a good idea. The stock rubber bushing is squishy and allows a lot of movement.
If you reassemble everything carefully, your shifter should be better than new with the Z3 lever. _________________ Cirrusblau '88 325iC 5-speed
Cosmosschwartz '99 M3 'vert 5-speed |
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idanity
Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3097 Location: N.W.U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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got the call today.
going to get the parts, go back to work, and plan on installing tomorrow . _________________ .......... |
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idanity
Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3097 Location: N.W.U.S.A.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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got parts-
-lever...........................................25117527252 = $ 79.94
-spec.shim (x4)............................25111220439 = $ 01.10
-trans.shim..................................25111469397 = $ 11.34
-joint...........................................25117501309 = $ 49.21
-spec.circlip.................................25111220379 = $ 01.56
-o rings((x2)tranny joint)............25111221243 = $ 02.00
-spec shim..................................25111220199 = c 00.6
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totaling 164.49
strange to know that there is "no dust cover" under the shift ball. there are 2 above it.
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does anyone have the "felt" around there shifter any longer. i noticed on the frame network, it should be there. but i only have the rubber types. _________________ .......... |
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DJB
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 293
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Uhmm, is this for a 1989 car?
You ordered o-rings and matching spacers. Those are only used with the original bushings on early model cars. You have the late design, and even the replacements for the early style no longer use o-rings. (There were an attempt to seal the joint.)
The yellow plastic (Delrin or similar) washers provide the side-load bearing surface and seal the bushing well enough. |
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idanity
Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 3097 Location: N.W.U.S.A.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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INSTALLED, and NOW in 2cnd, it hits the driveline. (well just for a second.)
if i tap the stick while its in 2cnd and rolling, i can hear it rub on the driveshaft.
every other gear works perfect.
but
i will investigate further on finding out exactly where/what is touching what/where.
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wazzu70
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 838 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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You have to bend the shift lever to clear the guibo. I flattened mine in the area it rubs (around the notch) and then tweaked it a little. _________________ -Nick
1984 BMW 325e
1991 BMW 325i
1976 Honda CB400F Super Sport
"The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten" |
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