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jinxed523i
Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: 523 overheating help? |
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I have a '98 523i with 110k (new engine block fitted at approx 95k). Before Christmas the car overheated just once, out of the blue. Stopped it, checked everything, nothing amiss, got back in, started it....temp. normal!!! Nothing else went wrong for several weeks, then all of a sudden the overheating reappeared, usually sudden ie. rapid rise to the red zone. Often it would just as quickly go back down to normal, only to then go off the clock.
Dropped it into my mechanic. He diagnosed a blown head gasket. This seemed a reasonable suggestion. Got the job done, fitted a new water pump, thermostat, and coolant etc. Needed to get helicoils fitted to re-fit the head bolts due to one pulling its threads during rebuild.All back to normal!!!
Several weeks went by, then out of the blue, the car overheated again...same symptoms. Brought it straight in, but for several days the machanic could not reproduce any fault. Stripped and tested pump, fitted new thermostat (again) and finally removed rad to check for blockages. Indeed it was blocked with fine silt, so new rad fitted. All checked for leaks...off we went again. No faults for several days, then overheat again. This time he took coolant sample to test for combustion gas evidence, none detected....
Finally, he thought he detected a leak (using some type of detecting fluid)around a hose junction, so stripped and replaced. Handed me back the keys, saying it was fixed, no leaks, no overheating.
I didn't even make it home (20 minutes sunurban driving)!!
Now, if I bleed the system before i leave home, I can make it about 15 minutes before blower goes cold and temp rises rapidly. It may or may not go striaght back down, but then goes off the clock just a few minutes later. Going home 9 hours later, car behaves normal...
Can anyone help??? Is there something obvious I'm missing?? Losing my marbles at this stage, can't go anywhere more than 20 minutes from home, and don't want to give car back to mechanic again??
Help, please?
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edjack
Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Posts: 3887 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Six cylinder E39s are such that it is very difficult to bleed all the air out of the system. Most DIYers elevate the front end of the car as high as they can during the bleeding operation.
This may be the problem.
Also, have you checked the operation of the viscous drive fan? It may not be spinning the fan blades fast enough.
The fan blades should be "sticky" to turn when the engine is stopped, and more so when the engine is hot. _________________
Ed BMW CCA member since 1987 (Nr. 62319).
'97 540i 6 speed Aspensilber over Aubergine interior. |
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jlevie
Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 553 Location: Huntsvile, AL
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Now, if I bleed the system before i leave home, I can make it about 15 minutes before blower goes cold and temp rises rapidly. |
That statement suggests to me that you are getting air out of the system each time you bleed it, which would point towards a leaking headgasket or a crack in the head or block. I realize that your mechanic has run a combustion gas test on the coolant, but in my experience that isn't a reliable test. The definitive test is to presurize each cylinder for several minutes with 150-180psi while monitoring cooling system pressure with a sensitive gage. A negative test on a cold engine needs to be repeated with the engine hot. _________________ NASA and BMW Certified instructor
Spec E30 #96 (NASA-SE) |
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jinxed523i
Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Thanks folks,
Still no result. Cylinder block has been hot & cold tested again. Engine block has been pressure tested. surfaces have been skimmed/checked within tolerance. So no cracks...........
Given that there is now a new rad, new thermostat, several new pipes and couplings and a new pump.........can anyone suggest any other solutions before we put the engine back together and resort to seeking divine intervention or voodoo magic?????????? |
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edjack
Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Posts: 3887 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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I am totally flummoxed! Search this site. If no answer, post your dilemma here. There may be someone out there with a solution.
http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e39/forum.php _________________
Ed BMW CCA member since 1987 (Nr. 62319).
'97 540i 6 speed Aspensilber over Aubergine interior. |
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alanfp
Joined: 07 Feb 2002 Posts: 461 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Guessing - could it be that there is blockage somewhere in the water ways that are preventing a good flow of coolant around the system? Intermittent nature being the result of the blockage moving around, then getting stuck at a junction, then getting dislodged.
As I say, it's just a guess. |
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