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panzerkeil302



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:58 pm    Post subject: The WMD Sarin Hoax !!!! Reply with quote

The Weapons of Mass Destruction Hoax
by Dwight Welch

Invocation of the words, "weapons of mass destruction" has become key to Bushspeak. The President and his lieutenants hurl the term with Biblical inflection as blanket justification for all manner of foreign military adventures or domestic political repression. In the mouths of Pirates, the acronym "WMD" can mean a global plague that might kill millions - or next to nothing.

George Bush has transformed three letters of the alphabet into his own tool of terror. He has discovered that Americans will support instant death for anyone, anywhere, who can somehow be linked to substances that might be described as potential WMDs. Yet, nasty life forms and lethal chemical compounds abound in the world - a near-universal resource. As we wrote in our October 17 2002 commentary, "Permanent War, Permanent State of Emergency," Bush has concocted a blanket WMD excuse to use military force anyplace on the planet.

This logic, accepted by a majority of the Congress, can be applied to the tiniest Caribbean or Pacific island nation, in conjunction with any political grouplet thought to be located in any corner of the world. Low-level germ stocks can be manufactured in the smallest countries, and stolen or purchased by any serious terrorist organization. No industrial base is necessary. Under the Bush Doctrine, any nation accused of harboring people who might possess such "weapons of mass destruction" can be targeted and summarily neutralized. If capability alone justifies attack, universal capability means worldwide targets and permanent war.

Domestically, Bush has only to invoke a WMD threat to drive the population insane, a cover to detain anyone who might possess - or have knowledge of others who might be interested in obtaining - these ill-defined substances.

So, what exactly are these potential WMDs? In this week's Guest Commentary, Dwight Welch attempts to demystify the subject.

No, this is not another article about WMDs not being found or, Was the war begun under a false pretext? Rather, I seek to address a facet of this issue on technical grounds. First, the only true WMDs are nuclear weapons. On this front, the leaders of Russia, the USA, France, and England are the four aces of mass destruction. Unfortunately, nerve gas and pathogens also get grouped into this categorization. But examine the facts: the atomic bombs of WWII instantly killed hundreds of thousands of people. The Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway system killed only 12 while sickening more than 5,000. Hardly a comparison.

Second, nerve gas and pathogens are tricky to work with. They may wind up killing the user. For instance, as the Iraqis discovered in the Iran-Iraq war, these gases are heavier than air. Thus, to their dismay, they discovered that nerve gas lobbed at Iranian soldiers on a mountain top, did little to the Iranians, but it settled back down into the valley where the Iraqis were firing them from. Pathogens such as small pox may also wind up infecting those employing such weapons, and rapidly coursing through their own populations. As the anthrax attacker found out, they can be tricky in other ways. He or she did not anticipate that the dust was so fine that it passed through the paper it was contained in, prior to reaching its destination. Again, there were relatively few deaths considering its large dispersal route, not mass destruction or mass death. Any military expert worth his salt will tell you that nerve and bio agents are ineffective weapons, not producing mass deaths, but mostly mass fear. The mass fear, in this case, was generated not by Iraq, but for a war which some of us regarded as being unnecessary.

Third, application of these agents coupled with their rapid rate of breakdown in the environment does not lend itself to mass destruction. Sarin readily breaks down in the presence of water. The water knocks off the fluorine atom turning it into a relatively low toxicity acid. Thus it would not do well dumped into a reservoir, nor dispersed during this wet June weather in Washington, DC. Consider the half-life of hours for typical cholinesterase inhibitors (nerve gases, many insecticides) in the presence of sunlight, compared to tens of thousands of years half-life for plutonium. Cholinesterase inhibitors break down notoriously fast, especially without a stabilizing agent. The Iraqi defector who wrote a book about Saddam's nuclear program has indicated that all of the cholinesterase inhibitors not found by the UN inspectors when they were kicked out in the late 90s have undoubtedly broken down by now. Biologicals do not fare well in hot storage sheds either. Mustard agent is an exception, having a shelf life of decades.

Another disingenuous complaint is about Saddam using poison gas against the Iranians and Kurds. Hello, this nerve gas was supplied by the USA (the world's largest producer of nerve gas) under the Reagan Administration. After Saddam gassed the Iranians Donald Rumsfeld, now Secretary of Defense, recommended diplomatic recognition of Saddam's regime, something he doesn't care to discuss these days.

A final consideration is this. Why would a potential terrorist bother to buy Sarin from Iraq and then smuggle it into the United States, when a nearly as deadly nerve agent, Ethyl Parathion, could be bought or stolen from any good local agricultural supply store? Sarin and EP have similar toxic effects according to the Merck Index (a leading technical catalogue of toxic substances), with Sarin being somewhat more toxic.

The 9/11 terrorists did not buy or receive airplanes from "terrorist governments," they stole them locally. Bombs and bullets are simple and the weapon of choice for terrorists. Tim McVeigh used fertilizer for heaven's sake. Nerve gas and bio-agents are high tech and difficult to use. A dirty bomb is a much more likely scenario. But while the nuclear site in Iraq was left unguarded for two and a half weeks (so much for the credibility of Saddam being an imminent nuclear threat), as Iraqis dumped the nuke isotopes on the ground so they could use the barrels for storing water, some 20% of Saddam's nuclear inventory disappeared. Please, there is no comparison between nuclear weapons and nerve gas.

Was the war worth it? Only time will tell. The intel on the WMDs is now being seriously questioned, but even if Saddam was hiding large stores of Sarin, they were unlikely to present much of a danger to U.S. citizens.

Mr. Welch is a Viet Nam veteran with 27 years at the Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pesticide Programs. The writer is also president-elect of the union that represents EPA headquarters scientists and engineers.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/46/46_guest_pr.html
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panzerkeil302



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:15 pm    Post subject: The WMD Sarin Hoax !!!! Reply with quote

"application of these agents coupled with their rapid rate of breakdown in the environment does not lend itself to mass destruction"

lotta good info, I guess a nuke really is what Geedubya needs.

Any your guys heard the latest approval numbers? GULP
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:29 pm    Post subject: The WMD Sarin Hoax !!!! Reply with quote

Narrator's voice over:

Ultimately confronted with the futility of his ‘deny, deny, deny’ ploy, panzer decides instead to claim that chemical weapons really aren’t all that bad (once you get to know them).

Tune in tomorrow to read panzer’s claims that Saddam Hussein is, in reality, simply a hologram created by CIA and controlled by Nancy Reagan.
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panzerkeil302



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:32 pm    Post subject: The WMD Sarin Hoax !!!! Reply with quote

You didn't read the article...did you? 5000 inhaled sarin, 12 died...not a very good wmd, don't you think? I mean, use your head...where is the mass destruction in that? You could kill more people with a can of gas...oh, oh! GASOLINE FOUND IN IRAQ! GAS IS A WMD!

I think my favorite part is "...gas was supplied by the USA (the world's largest producer of nerve gas)"

How ironic is that, we are digging up our own weapons of mass destruction! Hey, hold on...why was the US handing out WMD in the first place?

I should be laughing at this right now...but I can't...our boys are dying looking for our own weapons and the terrorists just up and moved away.

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TnSlim



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: The WMD Sarin Hoax !!!! Reply with quote

So you’re running so short of Bush-bashing material that you’ve resorted to referencing a blog not even written by an accredited journalist who only could get his drivel on a web site that would host such notable titles as:

"But He’s a Chicken!"Affirmative Action, George W. Bush and Why White Males Love Him
One Bush Too Many in Africa
Fear, Loathing and Laura Bush: Reflections on the Functions of Mass Panic
"Shrub" Bush's Pathological Focus On Saddam Hussein
Bush's Ugly America
Bush men obsessed with genitalia
Rice and Powell - Bush Racial Window Dressing?
Bush burgers with lies
Try Bush as a Global Pirate
Bush: Nexus of Nausea, Axis of Anxiety
Bush’s Phony "Grassroots" Voucher "Movement" - School Funds Diverted to Subvert Public Education
Bush Uses IRS To Push Around Poor People
Bush Mental Disorder Catalogued
Bush's Harvest of Shame - One Million Black Children in Extreme Poverty
Frederick Douglass denounces Bush (I guess Dubya is older than he looks)
Bush-Cheney "pirates" are treasonous

Would you expect a site like this to host fair and balanced reporting? Me neither.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: The WMD Sarin Hoax !!!! Reply with quote

Yes president elect of EPA headquarters of scientists and engineers - you are very wise, slim, those scientist and engineers are not "accredited journalists"...and have no credibility when it comes to things like "data".

Thanks for that, I needed a good chuckle

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:54 pm    Post subject: The WMD Sarin Hoax !!!! Reply with quote

Sensationalism

quote
Quote:
the atomic bombs of WWII instantly killed hundreds of thousands of people.


Facts

Atomic Demographics
HIROSHIMA-
*POPULATION: The estimated pre-bomb population was 300,000 to 400,000. Because official documents were burned, the exact population is uncertain.
*DEATHS: With an uncertain population figure, the death toll could only be estimated. According to data submitted to the United Nations by Hiroshima City in 1976, the death count reached 140,000 (plus or minus 10,000) by the end of December, 1945.
*HEALTH CARE HOLDERS: Persons qualifying for treatment under the A-bomb Victims Medical Care law of 1957 received Health Cards; holders as of March 31, 1990, numbered 352,550.
NAGASAKI: The atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki exploded at 11:02 A.M. on August 9. Using plutonium with an explosive power of 20 kilotons of TNT-equivalent, it left an estimated 70,000 dead by the end of 1945, although both population and the deaths are uncertain.

In my opinion, the president elect of the EPA, using sensationalism to drive home some point about the questionable effectiveness of WMD's, is just another raving leftist trying to snipe the president of the United States, and playing to cement his position in an extreme leftist organization.

This guy is like a neighbor who tells me that there is a madman running around on the block with an AK-47.. but its ok, cause he only has 30 rounds.. some of which were made in the States. So THEY are the real villians.
Hey.. Kiss my ass in the town square.

Where is the proof that we gave nerve agents to saddam anyway? Our systems do not adapt to soviet scuds.
And if we did, its so that he could counter the russian stuff that was sold to the Iranians.. Nothing like watching 2 assholes pound the crap out of each other.

Ya know?.. Both Conservatives and Liberals are 'Raving'..but the bottom line is that Saddam is/was a bad man, with the 4rth largest arsenal in the world.
Some of us learned a lesson from what happens when you let little Hitlers grow up to be big and strong. Others are just flapping their mouths, like Chamberlain did in 1939.
Now it really seems to me, that the majority of the 'Chamberlains' in our country, are university graduates. So Im wondering what the #@*% they teach in those places now?
Maybe they were too drunk, or hung-over, when WWII was covered. Maybe WWII is antiquated subject matter.
Maybe its related to the fact that its always a University graduate that steals the pensions of the working class...

But now 'IM' raving..!
ARGH..! &@#%$..! KILL..!

i need to get out of the sun.

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MattB



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:05 am    Post subject: The WMD Sarin Hoax !!!! Reply with quote

ha ha ha ha.

Ya Mark... I told you to wear your sunscreen. Get back in that swimming pool.
he he he.

Just one thing to add:

How did the UN resolutions that were violated define WMD's?
Resolution violations = reason for going to Iraq.
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